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I dont know of anyone agrees with me, but I am sickened our options. How can we call this a democracy when we are forced to choose between these two. We need change...real change.

Here is an article that acknowledges that while Bush is a war hungy, moronic profiteer ( I am sure his cheerleading squad(you know who you are) will object, but thats how I honestly see it, the other option wont REALLY change america.

I wish more people would stat non-partisan opinions and editoirals.

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If John Kerry Is The Answer, What Is The Question?

by William Blum
March 03, 2004
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Of all the issues that the presidential campaign will revolve around, none is more important to me than foreign policy. I say this not because that is my area of specialty, but because the bombings, invasions, coups d'état, depleted uranium, and other horrors that are built into United States foreign policy regularly bring to the people of the world much more suffering and despair than any American domestic policy does at home. I do not yearn for "anybody but Bush". I yearn for a president who will put an end to Washington's interminable indecent interventions against humanity. This is, moreover, the only way to end the decades-long hatred that has spawned so many anti-American terrorists.

So desperate am I to have the chance to vote for someone like that, that a few days ago I allowed myself to feel a bit buoyed when John Kerry, in response to a question about the situation in Haiti, said that the Bush administration "has a theological and ideological hatred for Aristide" which has led to the administration "empowering" the rebels.{1} To me that remark revealed a significant nuance of understanding of the world of US foreign policy that rarely makes it to the lips of an American politician. Could it be, I wondered, that Kerry is actually a cut or two above prevailing wisdom and rhetoric on such matters? (I must point out that, holding little expectation, I seldom closely follow who's who amongst establishment politicians, so until very recently I knew almost nothing specific about Kerry; in fact, I only just learned to distinguish him from Bob Kerrey, former senator from Nebraska.)

As it happens, the next day Kerry delivered a talk entirely about his views on foreign policy, particularly about the war on terrorism.{2} And my heart lost its buoyancy.
He called for an increase of "40,000 active-duty Army troops" -- not exactly the kind of relief our shell-shocked world hungers for.

"But nothing else will matter unless we win the war of ideas," Kerry said. "We need a major initiative in public diplomacy to bridge the divide between Islam and the rest of the world. For the education of the next generation of Islamic youth, we need an international effort to compete with radical Madrassas." -- This is the stuff of public relations, improving "image", ignoring the reasons for anti-Americanism. The problem, however, ain't a misunderstanding and it ain't due to poverty. It's the interventions, stupid; it's the harm we do to those people.{3}

"We have seen what happens when Palestinian youth have been fed a diet of anti-Israel propaganda," Kerry added. -- Again, no weight given to anything Israel has done to the Palestinians; it's all just a matter of propaganda; Palestinians are becoming suicide bombers because of something someone said, not because of the Israeli devastation of their lives.

In fact, the US has done remarkably well in "the war of ideas". In June, 2003 the Pew Research Center released the results of polling in 20 Muslim countries and the Palestinian territories which revealed that while people interviewed had much more "confidence" in Osama bin Laden than in George W. Bush, "the survey suggested little correlation between support for bin Laden and hostility to American ideas and cultural products. People who expressed a favorable opinion of bin Laden were just as likely to appreciate American technology and cultural products as people opposed to bin Laden. Pro- and anti-bin Laden respondents also differed little in their views on the workability of Western-style democracy in the Arab world."{4}

Kerry actually refers to this poll in his talk, but he mentions only the support of bin Laden, not the apparent contradictions found in the rest of the results.

"I will strengthen the capacity of intelligence and law enforcement at home and forge stronger international coalitions to provide better information and the best chance to target and capture terrorists even before they act." -- As if the United States was not already wiring, tapping, bugging and surveilling every institution in the known world and every creature that moves across the earth, and summarily imprisoning them by the thousands. It sounds like a remark Kerry threw in, as with many of his other remarks, hoping to demonstrate a nonexistent difference between his foreign-policy views and those of the Bush administration.

"I will not hesitate to order direct military action when needed to capture and destroy terrorist groups and their leaders." -- As The Washington Post observed, "Kerry appeared to outline his own preemptive doctrine in the speech."{5}

Kerry faulted Bush for providing insufficient funding for the National Endowment for Democracy. -- He probably thought he was on safe ground; the word "democracy" always sells well. But this is his most depressing comment of all. He's calling for more money for an organization that was set up to be a front for the CIA, literally, and that for 20 years has been destabilizing governments, progressive movements, labor unions, and anyone else on Washington's hit list.{6} Which would be a worse mark against Kerry, that he doesn't know this about NED, or that he does know it? It sounds like another throwaway to imply a divide between he and George W.
So, what do we have here? Not a single word about the tens of thousands killed by US military actions in Afghanistan and Iraq; not a word about anything the United States has ever done anywhere in the world that could conceivably lead to anyone ever harboring justified resentment against the United States and seeking retaliation.

Not a word about ending, or even lessening, interventions.

It does not require total cynicism to point out that at most, at best, John Kerry's beef with the Bush administration over foreign policy -- to the extent that he really has any -- is a very minor difference of opinion between technocrats, Kerry offering a few tiny adjustments, a tweaking here or there. Most of his policy suggestions concerned things already being done by the Bush administration.

In sum total, nothing at all threatening, or even challenging, to business as usual for American foreign policy. What relief from the bully's outrages can the world expect from a John Kerry administration? What relief from the outrages done in our name can we Americans expect?

I think I can go back to ignoring establishment politicians.
 

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The 2 party pass the parcel system...

It can seen like that, and then suddenly a politician comes along that rips the throat out of the 'system'.

Bush has done it to a lesser extent with your foreign policy, which is why so many foreign dudes are yelling 'foul'.

Off the top of my head, FDR grabbed the bull by the balls, and changed your country forever, economically and culturally.

Fundamental change by a moderate Government led by a determined person isn't difficult, don't wish for too much IMO.

(In the last 60 years in the UK Bevin and Thatcher made huge cultural and economic changes.)
 

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I agree, I'm no big John Kerry fan. It's just that I'd vote for a sack o' shit for the White House over the present occupant. Everything Bush and the Republicans are running on now seems to just be anti-Kerry. But that misses the point. Re-elections are all about the incumbent. Make no mistake, this election is a referendum on Bush.
 

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Kerry rips his shoulder muscle up because over the past few months he has been lifting it overhead and swinging it around in after all his primary victories. He blames it on a sudden stop in his bus. He's as big a scammer as you get.
 

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Chonce,

I agree with your post and it´s valid argument. The first time that I was legally allowd to vote was for election 2000 and my candidate is now in office. I am a republican but agree with many points expressed by the Democratic Party. I voted for Bush because he seemed like a President that would better protect the nation in a time of crisis. When 9/11 occurred and the US responce in Afghanistan, I truly believed that I made a good choice voting for Bush. Another aspect why I voted for Bush was for his supposed tax breaks because my family would benefit.

After the war in Iraq, I have become a little less enthusiastic because of the lie revolving around WMD, the present anarchy in Iraq, the constant deaths of US soldiers, and for various other policies that has been brought forth to the nation. Nevertheless, I do not John Kerry because he doesn´t have a clear stance on any issue. He says one thing to a crowed and than he stands on the complete opposite side of the same issue for another crowed. Regarding President Bush, I respect the fact that he stands his ground on all issues eventhough they may be contrary to popular opinion.

With Kerry, you will not know what kind of president you will get because of his failure to stand clear on all issues. With Bush, atleast you know what kind of President you are getting and all the good and bad benefits you will receive. Honestly, I should not vote for this election because both candidates aren´t the best option. Since, I tend to be a little more towards the republican side, I will go for Bush.

In my opinion, the best candidate would be someone that would go through great lengths to protect the nation in a time of crisis like 9/11 (eventhough maybe not being backed by the UN),an extremely high priority to help the US economy preventing the most amount of citizens to be out of a job, re-shape medicare,and legalize sports and casino gambling. At the end, you can´t have it all.
 

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It sounds like a really weird choice for the US electorate.

Candidate 1:
Hasn't got a feckkin clue, but will hang on tight and follow through any decision to the bitter end.
Unfortunately, this includes hugely disasterous decisions, like Iraq.

Candidate 2:
Has integrity but dithers over any major issue, and can do a u-turn in an instant. Which is a major drawback if there is a serious crisis.


(Can't you just bring Bill Clinton back as an honorary Pressy...
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Maybe getting a decent normal moderate cabinet team behind Bush is the smart answer.
Hes surrounded by American extremist/hawks.

....on second thoughts, Kerry with a smart cabinet sounds more appealing.

[This message was edited by eek on April 01, 2004 at 09:45 PM.]
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> (Can't you just bring Bill Clinton back as an honorary Pressy... )

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How can you when the man has no honor to begin with?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Candidate 1:
Hasn't got a feckkin clue, but will hang on tight and follow through any decision to the bitter end.
Unfortunately, this includes hugely disasterous decisions, like Iraq.
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I disagree on Iraq being disastrous. The problem is that most of these Islamic extremists only respect force. Most of the people on these boards don't understand any of the Islamic culture outside of what they read on bbc.com or cnn.com or whatever. It's pretty damn tough to coordinate two military campaigns within a short time and do it expeditiously. That shows the zombies that it can be done AND will be done if needed. I often wonder if some of these extremists watch western television and see all these puss's cry about war, violence and troop absence before they plan their next terror campaign.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Candidate 2:
Has integrity but dithers over any major issue, and can do a u-turn in an instant. Which is a major drawback if there is a serious crisis.
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Integrity? Are we thinking about the same person?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I disagree on Iraq being disastrous. The problem is that most of these Islamic extremists only respect force. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Saddam imprisoned, tortured and killed any politically active extremist religious groups, (violent or peaceful ones).

Any threat to the ruling Baath system was simply eliminated. Bang bang.

He kept the religious nutz under permanent control via a system of extrajudicial murder.

Iraq was actually quite secular from a religious view.
Women did not too badly either.
His Foreign Minister (the UN guy) was a christian.

By destroying Iraq, you let the Islamic genie out of the bottle in that area.

Put simply, you added another 25 million people to the potential Islamic terrorist category, and tied down a huge chunk of the US military in a usless overseas venture at huge cost in lives and $$'s.
 

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You mentioned my point but the logic behind it went over your head, I think. Saddam was successful mainly because of the formula he used to deal with his people. The same formula you mentioned. I'm not advocating that Bremer take it to the limit, but I do think he needs to realize the nature of the people they're encountering.

Closing a newspaper for 60 days. Gimme a break!
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Put simply, you added another 25 million people to the potential Islamic terrorist category, and tied down a huge chunk of the US military in a usless overseas venture at huge cost in lives and $$'s. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm looking at the glass half empty. We added 25 million people that can be removed at the behest of the U.S. government. If they really want to go through this exercise again, then so be it. I call that sadism. You call it a useless endeavor because of the fallout but I'm looking at the respect that was gained specifically by the events of the preceding 2 years.
 

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It's the Democratic party's fault for kerry's nomination!!! They were to pre occupied with their hatred for George Bush! All they wanted was a candidate who did everything opposite of what Bush did....well, they got their candidate and now they are going to suffer for their mistake.

I agree, Bush may not be the best President we've ever had, but he is definitely better than Kerry would be.
 

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EEK, you are dead right - these people are animals but Saddam knew this and he knew how to keep them in control - you need to rule these beasts with an iron fist - they don't understand democracy over there - now the place is a disaster zone where no postive will ever come of - more and more troops will die until we give up and then it will emerge as a another breeding ground for radical views - not only that we no longer have any respect from the international community so we can expect to fund the world's bills ourselves.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KMAN:
It's the Democratic party's fault for kerry's nomination!!! They were to pre occupied with their hatred for George Bush! All they wanted was a candidate who did everything opposite of what Bush did....well, they got their candidate and now they are going to suffer for their mistake.

I agree, Bush may not be the best President we've ever had, but he is definitely better than Kerry would be.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You finally accept that Bush is not the greatest President ever? Agreed that Kerry was not the best nominee. It still saddens me that General Clark started kinda late and never really got a fair shake. He would have mowed down Bush like he wasn't even there. All these tacts that they're using aganst Kerry would have been non-starters against Clark. *weep*
 

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General Clark? Lmao, instead of a neo-can war *****ring president we replace him with a egomaniac who almost started WW3 in the Baltics. Only nominee I thought who really had a chance was Edwards who really didn't have the baggage guys like Kerry and Clark had. Unless being a Lawyer is of itself baggage, hehehe.
 

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Degen, LMFAO you bought that 'almost started WW3' crap? The utterance which came from the British General primarily responsible for Bloody Sunday (Jackson)....was total bullcrap. Clark's stategy in that regard was widely considered to be correct and his overall strategy in Kosovo that he had to fight hard for worked like a charm. Clark is a not a war*****r, but when he does choose force he knows how to do it decisively. Nothing wrong with that.
 

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